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the news continues. see you tomorrow. the source of kaitlan collins starts now so during the source tonight, notes on a scandal, the four questions coming from the jury room or well, new yorkers are deliberating the fate of the former president or sharpest legal minds will help us dig into our first clues about what's the jury may be thinking and after weeks so testimony about sucks lies, and an audio tape. >> what happens next is out of donald trump's control for the first time in his life. and the strain is showing will tell you how also justice denied samuel alito is slamming the door and those calls for his recusal from the january 6 related cases before the high court his extraordinary letter to congress i'm kaitlin collins, and this is the source as we are now 45 days into the trial

of the 45th president, donald trump, weights. he's going to now wait as a jury of seven men and five women deliberate over whether he is guilty or not. >> to be a fly on the wall and that jury room, as those 12 jurors are in there making that crucial decision. >> one that has never been made in our country before. the first day of deliberations lasted for more than 4.5 hours today. and we got our first hint about where their heads may be i say may because of course, we are not in that room. we don't know. but what we do know is that a buzzer inside the courtroom alerted everyone that the jury was sending not one, but two notes to the judge the first asking to be able to reread testimony from two key witnesses, david pecker, a tabloid king, and michael cohen some of it involving a critical meeting at the heart of this hush money case. >> the other question was to rehear the judge's instructions to the jury, and that too could be quite critical to the outcome of

this. >> what those 12 jurors ultimately decide here more on all of that in a moment, but before we get into that, you just have to take a step. back for a moment and think about what this day was like. the ones and potentially future most powerful world leader on the planet was forced to sit and wait and dingy manhattan courtroom for eight hours today is 12 of his peers started those deliberations donald trump is required to be at the courthouse as long as they are doing so he's not allowed to leave in case a note, as we noted earlier, or even a potential verdict comes down. all of this as we could hear from trump as he left the courthouse today, clearly has a magic stated there are a lot of witnesses while the people that they could have called that they didn't call now they didn't call them, obviously because they would've been very bad witnesses very big players that would have saw the problem or actually would have given us the way nobody here's

what the crime is. crime a reminder that trump himself, of course, could have testified in his own defense in this case, which he chose not to force at a certainly his right. >> his attorneys, though, also had the right to call whatever witness they wanted. if they wanted to trump appears to be bracing though for his supporters, and bracing them for a worst-case scenario when the jury is done deliberating perhaps his most memorable line of the day was when he declared that even mother teresa herself cannot be the charges he is facing my legal sources tonight or criminal defense attorney and former manhattan assistant district attorney, jeremy saland. cnn legal analyst and criminal defense attorney joey jackson, and the retired federal judge, shira scheindlin and judge, it's great to have you and i want to start with you because we obviously don't know. we're not actually in that jury room, unfortunately, as much as i would like to be able to listen to what they're deliberating but the sense that we got from these notes today, i heard some legal experts saying that it was a bad note for the defense because what

they were asking for was to be re-read the testimony of david pecker, the first witness this tabloid king. >> and he was the first witness. >> but in those closing arguments last night, joshua steinglass, the prosecutor, told the jury but you got to use your common sense here. consider the utterly testimony of david pecker, and now they seem to want to consider that a little bit more. >> pepper was the first witness that was weeks ago and they may want their recollection refreshed. my guesses that some people in that jury are already convinced and other said convinced me and they said will convince you. let's hear what pecker said because he said something quite for trump. i think in the dynamics of their conversations with each other, one group challenge or the other and said, let's, let's do it. let's hear pecker. >> yeah, we'll just a reminder one, because the testimony was so long ago. david pecker was friends with donald trump for decades. joey in one of his testimonies that we know is going to be re-read to the court tomorrow because we got to here as they were deliberating, what was the jury

was asking about one of those quotes is where david pecker said there was a discussion about that, how i was going to be the eyes and ears of the campaign. there was a discussion that i would be notifying michael cohen of any women that were in the process as or going to be selling their stories? i would notify cohen that they would be available and that they would either have to buy them or take them off the market and kill them in some manner. i mean, what do you make of the fact that the jury wants to hear that again, i made quite a bit of it. >> i really do why? because remember the theme and the theory of prosecutors. this is about it a conspiracy and a cover-up. now, conspiracy is not charged, but it would imply two or more people are engaged in illegality. what is the illegality here? the falsification of the business records for a specific intent right. to violate some other law so if you're going to conspire, you go to the beginning. what did that look like? who was in the room? whom at the time? what are you talking about? what were the relevant things you were attempting to do? what was the end game? what were the participants like? what are you

planning on? and so to me that really brings them back there as it relates to pecker. and it also means to me caitlin at they're crediting or at least one or more are crediting what pecker had to say if you want to hear from something when again, it means that you were impressed enough to want to know what they had to say. additionally, i would say one of the instructions as we know is that you can disregard in totality a person's testimony or take such portion that you believe to be believable and disregard the rest. who else did they look to hear from cohen? and so that means to me that they're not get ready to disregard him at all, but ready to hear what he has to say relative to a critical issue i'll first off by saying i agree with the judge and you should always agree with the judge. >> so i'm an absolute agreement and there are maybe there may very well be be a few people who are on that fence or disagree. and once you have where the conspiracy was born from and where it was its birth, which is in that first meeting in august of 2015, with pecker, with trump and cohen and then you take that next step because there's that

phone call with involving mcdougal. i don't buy stories, but talk to my guy michael cohen. it really corroborates everything and part of the argument from the prosecution is you don't have to like or trust are really care much about michael cohen as a whole. but in this moment in time, he was honest. he may be discredited, not a very credible person, and someone you may not even like. but in this moment we know he was truthful. why because pecker well, the other reason that pecker's so important, as he says, the intent of all this was about the election. >> and that's critical because as it's an it's an election fraud crime, right? underlying so it's important that the reason they want to suppress those stories as to affect the election, not to protect the family. yes, that's a great point, judge, because no one and we don't know yet this is the first time they've sent a note back. we don't know if they'll send more nodes backward, just these two. and we'll get to what this second one wasn't a moment, but this note was not about falsifying business records are asking a question about the instructions

necessarily on on the checks are the invoices. it was about the conspiracy to influence the 2016 election. that's what people think it's bad for the defense don't let's see. >> i think it's absolutely bad for the defense. i don't know how you read it to the contrary. now, if you read it to the contrary, that maybe there's are juror who just can't be convinced you're way too early for that. you really in the birthing of this case. they're bringing that out for the same reason. we just all said this is what happened. this cooperates the theory of the prosecution. >> i'm willing to be a little more skeptical than you and maybe more than one juror can't be convinced. it may be that in my experience, jurors often took a straw poll as soon as i gotten the jury room, and that gave them the early reading. and if it's a split like seven, five, or whatever, they know, i have work to do. and so they figure out how does a majority convinced the minority, and they think that through, and here's the way you got to hear what pecker said. you got to compare it to what cohen said. if they agree, he's corroborated after all, he is only an accomplice. he needs corroboration. the documents do the trick, but the witnesses due to where they you see it as a sign of

disagreement among the attentionally, i we are all reading tea leaves and i don't take it as a major disagreement is just the beginning. maybe some people said, you know, it's got to be beyond a reasonable doubt and i'm not there yet. that's what i might say if i was a juror without question, judge, but i think it goes back to what initially was the plan. and remember what the other theory we have the prosecution was stormy daniels is the motivation why? because on the heels of access, hollywood and the rocking of the campaign, we don't need another story like this and it gets us back to what the initial agreement is. how are we going to catch it, kill it, and what are we going to do about it? who's going to be riskiest the color of bimbo and eruption. we don't needed other bimbo or rupture right and how that language is clearly changed as shifted on job of establishing that she made it clear that when that access hollywood tape hit the fair, the fear and concern for female voters how that would impact the election. so all this collectively, and it

starts, i think with david pecker importantly they're also asking for the instructions to be re-read. >> it's not clear if it's the full instructions, but the jury made clear, which i know, you abstract feelings that they don't get a copy. i wonder about that in federal court where i sat for so many years, we always send that written charge into the jury room, not one copy, but 12. every single juror had it it was their road map to how to deliberate. they went through it and it was the only way to go and i'm just so surprised at new york state doesn't allow that, judge, before we go, i don't have to ask about this other claim that trump is making because it's picking up steam, you can always tell when something's out to kinda just bust out there he's saying falsely that the judges not requiring there to be a unanimous decision on each of the county posted this earlier if no, no, no. >> i'm sorry to correct you. there has to be unanimous decision on every count. what doesn't right. to be trump is saying, i'm sorry. this is, this is why i wanted to ask you this because trump is claiming that there doesn't have to be unanimous decision on each of the charge. it's in the

charge. i read the entire charts. is a wrinkle to oh, of course, i know that the underlying the one that had the other crime that you intend to commit or conceal that according to the judge, doesn't have to be unanimous, but i'll say that there may be an appellate issue there. >> yeah. well, trump has made clear that would be their alternative if he is convicted here. judge finland joy joey jackson, jeremy saland. great to have you all here. and of course this is the one question that everyone certainly me, is asking what on earth is it like inside that jury room? my next source was a juror in other high-profile trial involving politician will ask them plus trump's former national security adviser on his predictions. as trump is bracing for a verdict check we hear nothing but space shuttle accidents, usually not one thing. it's a series is that part of the wing coming apart space shuttle columbia, the final flight. now, streaming on

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jury deliberation? >> hey, should broome? >> we did get a few clues. we those 12 jurors sent back notes this afternoon. >> we don't actually know if they were from all of the jurors that could have even just been from one. and they are still sent to the judge. but my insight source tonight does know what it's like to deliberate on a high-profile case. jessica hubert neck served on the jury in these second corruption trial of the former illinois governor rod blagojevich that jury ultimately convicted him and she joins me now, it's great to have you just go because i just think people, not everyone has experienced either being on a high-profile jury of this case, going into that room, you sat through weeks of testimony if similar to what this jury has done, what's it like once you actually got into the room with your fellow jurors hi. >> yeah. thanks for having me so the trial will go to trial was about two months long, so it was rather lengthy trial. and by the time we got to the deliberations that took about ten days of combing back through all of the evidence, all the paperwork re listening

to about eight hours of audio recordings. and it was right, was pretty intense, but we had a really great group that ran really smoothly. we came to a consensus on most of the accounts pretty quickly. there was a few that we were a little hung on, but we took votes, we collaborated, we worked together really well i think everything went really well within the jury box. >> you just heard judge finland maybe haven't heard choose here in the first group, and she said that often groups would take straw polls when they gotten the room. it was that something that you all did? good? >> yeah. we would do actual votes that were anonymous and just deciding on some of the few counts that we were unsure of. i think there was one, hong cao, i believe and there was a couple of not guilty ones and those were some of the ones that took us a little longer. but we did try to come to consensus as fairly as possible as quickly as possible. and i

think it just all worked out really well and hopefully, the jury on the trump trial is working just as well as the one i'm going to just trial. did yeah. >> he was ultimately found guilty on seven 17 of those 20 charges. i mean, what was it like getting everyone to the same page on those 17 counts well i think for us, especially me, i went in there very unbiased. >> i really wanted to hear all the evidence laid out and evaluated as much as we could. i took copious amount of notes. i had two notebooks full of notes, and many of the other jurors did the same kind of thing. so when we went into deliberations, i do really believe if that we were very organized, we were ready to look over that information and to be quite honest for the big-wave, it's trial. there was such an overwhelming amount of evidence for a guilty verdict for many of these counts that it really was just a matter of coalmine back through the information and confirming what we heard during the trial. >> did you have an idea? yeah.

going into that jury room after listening to those two months of testimony and seeing the evidence of which way you would ultimately vote yes. i do believe as far as i'm concerned, and i believe a lot of the other jurors did really feel like a lot of the counts we're going to be guilty verdicts we did need to clarify some of the information behind the counts. >> we didn't fully understand some of the things that they were being charged so let me to get good explanations of that and found the evidence supporting our decisions for each of those counts. and we went through them one by one. we're very meticulous and how we approached it. and by the time we were done, we felt very confident in our votes jessica hubert, i mean, it's fascinating to hear what it's like inside that room for these jurors who was day one, we'll see what i'll day two goes. thank you for joining tonight thank you. up. next, we're going to hear from donald trump's former national security adviser, who was a prediction on how he will react

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including everything from clips of fox news, two quotes from people defending them. some of them, ms quotes, i should note, as well as repeating claims that he has made for weeks now about this case, this judge in this court my next guest has been in the room with the former president during some of the most tense moments imaginable, trump's former national security adviser, john bolton is here in a bus or bolton, it's great to have you i mean, this is one of the most fascinating parts to me, is that trump can't leave the courthouse while the jury is they're deliberately he has to be in his actual courtroom, but he is to be in the courthouse i just wonder what you think that means to him. >> well, i think it's driving him crazy. i mean, i've back in the day sweated out a few jurors and it's nerve wracking for everybody. but because the defendant has to be available if the jury comes in with a verdict, you can't have him wandering away. so he's kinda stuck there and 40 tweets or whatever we call truth social's these days, that's probably a low number. let's see what it is tomorrow. >> yeah, it was remarkable to

kinda scroll through and he'd only been in there for 12 or so minutes, but the reason he's there when they get a note, he and his legal team also go in the room to hear what the note is. it could obviously be be quite important and i know you and i've talked about this case before. you don't agree with with the underlying premise of it, but this verdict is going to come from a jury of 12 of his peers. they'll make the decision on the evidence that they have seen that none of us have quite seen it in the way that they have. and i just wonder how you think trump will react to the verdict regardless of what it is. >> well, i think he's obviously preparing himself and i think the odds favor in my view, a hung jury. but i do think conviction is possible. i think acquittal is almost almost impossible. so between the two possibilities, he'll certainly declare victory if it's a hung jury and he'll blame the conviction if that's what it is on and the deepstate, the difference between this and other prior crises for trump that threatened him and his

future is this time is in the middle of an election campaign. so he's got a particular target and that's joe biden. and amidst the general outrage, we will here expressed i think the campaign is certainly trying to channel him toward keeping his eyes on the prize, which is defeating biden. now, whether he sticks with that plan is a different question, but i think that's one major difference before it was just his general trumpian and war of all against all. but now he's got an opponent. he has to beat and six months and that's where i think the focus will be. >> what do you make of what i've heard from some trump folks that a conviction will help him i don't i don't think a conviction even in a manhattan courtroom helps anybody. >> he will still be potentially a convicted felon at that point. i think a lot of independent voters, they may say that's it's the end of it force, it may it may fire trump's base up and he may be able to say, well, i'll win on appeal and explain it that way

it's not a good look to be convicted under any circ*mstances, not everybody believes that this is an unfair prosecution. not everybody believes joe biden and the democratic party are driving it there'll be issues on appeal. he might get it overturned on appeal, but i don't think he cares about that. he's worried about the conviction before the election, your lifelong republican and you've often touted the merits of the us justice system when you're on the world stage and how our courts work and that any american can be held accountable no matter your status or your rank or your office that you've previously held, do you think republicans and republican voters and everyone should be able to have faith in what this verdict is from the story. >> well, i think the jury is going to do its job. i really do. and if you don't like the jury, because it's in manhattan and it has a certain demographic ask donald trump wide did his entire business career in manhattan, you get the pick where you where you live. he picked it now he's going to bear the consequences of it there's merit to the claim that this case has

political bias behind it. the district attorney campaigned specifically saying he was going to get donald trump, and now he's got him in court. but it's also possible somebody a prosecutors motivated by hi politics, but has an actual breaking of the law situation that he's brought against the defendant will see what the jury says on it, but the fact is that trump still has the full potential to appeal it's not over for him just because of the jury verdict. and if you don't if you say that you oppose the entire judicial we'll system because you think one person's being treated unfairly. it's a very destructive course to go down, especially for conservatives. well, that's, i'm so glad you brought that up because marco rubio wants to be vice president. >> it's it's quite clear. he's a esteemed senator, he clearly is hoping for this job. >> i mean, he's comparing this to what the soviet union does too. >> do political opponents there. >> and that's a comparison that some republicans may see and say, well, here's a point but it's not just alvin bragg

who is doing this. >> there's a jury in that room. there's a case that has to be made. they're not just making up evidence and the jury's listening to that. so what do you make of people like senator rubio's claims? well, i think there's a danger of questioning the integrity of all of our legal institutions this way. and trump only cares about trump. he doesn't care if the institutions rise or fall. he just wants to know what donald trump's fate is going to be. and i think for republicans to play into his hands is a huge mistake. you've already got other people who are out there questioning the system from the other side and if i were in moscow or beijing, i would say anything that undercuts americans general faith in their constitution, their institutions weakens america, doesn't matter whether it's from the left or right. it's an attack on the integrity of the system itself that in the case of donald trump in this prosecution is just not evident ambassador john bolton, great to have you here onset. >> thanks. thank you. >> this trial, of course, centers around a hush money payment that was made to stormy

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in donald trump's hush money trial, we'll be back in the courthouse to hear key testimony from david pecker and michael cohen, re-read to them from a court officer or a court reporter, i should note there's another captivating witness whose testimony though we'll also likely be seared into the jurors minds and will also likely be brought up in that deliberation room that is of course stormy daniel's her attorney, clark brewster joins me now and it's great to have you back because i just wonder first off, you're an attorney. what do you make of the jury asking to hear testimony from david good pecker, michael cohen, and also to have the jury instructions read to them again i think that that's a very good sign usually it means that there's some debate over somebody's notes are remembrance of what happened, and they want to be sure and they want to make sure as they go through that their precise and their deliberations i think is a very good sign of a conscientious jury. what does it mean four, with that first buzzer rang in the courtroom and everyone was like, what does this mean?

>> is it a verdict? you know, i don't think it would expected it to be that soon. what does it say to you that they're going to have probably an hour, 30 minutes tomorrow getting this read back to them in terms of when a verdict couldn't be reached. >> well, it's hard to say. i mean, really, the question is how many are raising an issue? they usually do a quick poll or a vote and it'll be interesting to know where they are on that. and what is prompted that request and discussion. but it's hard to really predict but it's. pretty, typical to get a note from the jury and it really gives you some insight into what they're focused upon. and actually no surprise, it's the two witnesses that really have been very important with regard to trump's intent and his the issues associated with the criminal men's breyer mental intent, you said something really interesting yesterday that you actually think stormy daniels could have been a better or more effective witness for the defense here and how how so? well not

necessarily that wasn't a conclusion. >> i was trying to lead you to what i was saying is i think she could have been very effectively cross-examined by reaching the common ground questions with her and she would have readily associated a lot of common ground questions and i think an effective examination would have been a lawyer that got up there and reached all those common ground areas and header concede them. and then go oh, for their critical issue or the debate between the facts, the defense and the prosecution. that was never done. they just jumped right into controversy and acrimony and the cross-examination not effective at all. >> and you one thing that it's also important for one to remember is the defense had access to her as a witness as well. they could have reached out to her and talk to her about what she was going to testify to know what she was going to say and what those areas of common interest, as you say, could have been, but they didn't do so, did they know they didn't actually the lead lawyer sent an emailed

subpoena to me requesting documents, had no legal effect. >> it was just emailed to me, but he never reached out or followed up at all that was litigated. ultimately, a subpoena was litigated with her and the judge sustained. or a sustainable in an objection to quash the subpoena. >> oh, i'd trump attorney emailed us subpoena for documents and meritless basically, pretty much right. >> there was it was a futile, failed effort that kind of surprise me if that caliber council that would do that that's interesting. >> i mean, what did you read into that documents? did they were with me. they didn't think through what it takes to serve a subpoena in another state and get documents under the reciprocal act or they just assumed or lawyer didn't know that. but either way, it wasn't an active what i. consider to be good counsel, how she doing, how is she processing all of this as we are, i mean, this must be a tenth time for everyone, but

especially for her as she's waiting to see what this verdict does. well, you know, we talked a couple of times today. >> she is greatly relieved that this is behind her from the standpoint point of showing up in court and testifying and i think she would be pleased either way. i mean, she just wants to know that what she said was truthful and transparent and it's out of her hands now, so it's in the hands of the jury. >> it is indeed in the hands of the jury will see what they decide. clark brewster great to have you all. >> thank you. >> ahead. there are more excuses same of the old excuses from the supreme court justice alito on why those flags we're flying. it his homes. >> also a refusal to recuse himself from two major january 6 cases before the court, despite calls to do so, including from top democratic senator my next guest in one of the most active 22 seasons, you

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home as possible. he was mavericks cover to begins tomorrow at 7:30. >> india western conference finals presented by at&t on tnt with western conference finals, old cast on trutv supreme court justice samuel alito says he won't recuse himself from two key decisions facing the supreme court involving the january 6 attack on the capitol alito revealed this decision in a letter to senate democrats today leaving his wife not once or even twice, but nearly a dozen times actually, in this letter, as you can see here, for those controversial flags that were flown on properties that the two of them own. >> one, of course, was that upside down american flag that the new york times first reported on it was known as a distress symbol, but also more recently has become a symbol of those who deny what happened in the 2020 election. >> alito didn't address that flag in his letter, but he did write and he said, quote, i had nothing whatsoever to do with the flying of that at flag.

>> as soon as i saw it, i asked my wife to take it down, but for several days she refuse. the justice went on to explain by saying, my wife, this bond of flying flags, i am not. the events were counted above. do not meet the applicable standard for recusal. i am therefore required to reject your request joining me tonight, a democratic member of the senate judiciary committees set senator richard blumenthal. >> and it's great to have you and before we get to your response to this decision, i just wonder if you believe its legitimate that just unbelievable that justice alito wasn't aware about an upside down american flags flying the outside of his home kaitlan, it absolutely defies common sense and credibility. what justice alito is doing in fact, is dragging down the credibility of the court destroying american people's trust in the court by these kinds of flimsy excuses that failed to pass the

red face test. and in fact, what these flag flying incidents show are political statements and they're part of a pattern by justice alito. and the reason that each should disqualify himself, recuse, and take themselves out of decisions involving donald trump when he says he's required to refuse your request to recuse himself, what do you make of that? he says that he's not required and there isn't a law that requires it because the supreme court has no code of ethics alone among all the branches of government and all the judges, except for the united states supreme court he and the highest court in the land really are required to obey only the lowest standards that they apply to themselves. so there is no enforceable code of conduct i've urge that there'll be a inspector

general for the judicial conference. i verge that there'll be enforceable code of conduct. >> obviously republicans would have to cooperate in these kinds of efforts, but i think the time has come for the chief justice of the court roberts. >> has a responsibility here to show some spine and step into the breach what do you think he should do i think he ought to use his moral and political force on the court and take actions that may seem symbolic, like refusing to assign opinions to justice alito and justice thomas he has the power when he's in the majority, which happened 86% of the time during the last session. to deny them the opportunity to do the majority opinion, even if they're in the majority, he should also take away from them. their power over specific circuits of the court geographic areas that all the

justices divide among themselves, those kinds of steps may seem small, but they would send a very powerful message about his disapproval. and here's showing some leadership here. and i think the united states congress ought to call the chief justice before this judiciary committee. i think that we in the senate audit hear an explanation from him. i think he owes it to congress and the american people. >> well, while you urge your colleagues on the senate judiciary committee to do so. >> i've urged them and i think we need to put the blame where it lies, where it properly should be for the failure of congress to do more here. really belongs to the republicans because we know that there isn't a single republican on the judiciary committee who would take any action effectively, but i'm going to urge my colleagues that we should hear from chief justice roberts, and that we

are summing them to appear before us. i have no hope that justice alito would even obey. a subpoena well, yeah. i mean, we even heard from people like senator lindsey graham who said they thought this was bad judgment. >> but by alito, at least for the upside down, american flag, you're colleague though in the house, jamie raskin, seemed to say he's on house judiciary, obviously different than the senate judiciary, but he said that he believes that justice department could actually force justices alito in thomas to recuse themselves segment. they could petition the other seven justices to require them to do so. not as matter of grace, but as a matter of law. do you see that is is that possible or i mean, besides even likely, is that possible? >> certainly, possible any litigant and the department justice is a litigant before the court is reluctant to take that kind of over action, but we have now entered territory that is so unique and unprecedented justice alito and

justice thomas are continuing to defile and the file those basic standards and norms of decency and ethics. and i think the time has come for some pretty drastic action because the american people are losing trust in the supreme court. the court has no oh, armies, it has no police force. it depends for the enforceability of its orders on its credibility and it is rapidly squandering it by failing to act here that chief justice says an obligation, but the department of justice may as well. >> we'll see what they do if anything, senator richard blumenthal thank you for your time tonight thank you. up next there were certain words from president biden today that you've gotta here on trump's record on race as he is trying to win back black voters and make sure they're there for him in 2024 good evening,

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way we've heard a lot of january xyx talk for him from president biden. i don't think i've ever heard him say something like that. yeah. but it's necessary at this point. i think there there's a lot of things going on, i think in today's schedule for biden there are traditional parts of the democratic coalition that are just not there yet. so going into a speak to black community to try to shore that up is important. but i think he goes to more than that there's an enthusiasm gap with young people with suburban women these issues are what energize them because it's a reminder of what trump has done and said and you can, you can call them any name you want, but the earlier today, i trump racial comments and i could still be reading now there's so much of it. and what he's done, he was prosecuted for discrimination and housing. the central park five, where before any trial he called for the death penalty and i'd experience when he took on the whole, every black player in the nfl for kneeling

so i think it serves a purpose in the one community, but i think if they do it right and they keep concentrating on what he did, not what he's going to do. it does energize the main very important parts of democratic. yeah. >> i mean, i just want to play the whole sound bite from that lesson because it wasn't just january 6 and trump's record for that he wanted to talk about it. want to talk about other aspects of trump's record as well this same guy wanted to tear gas, you as you peacefully protest at george floyd's murder. the same guy who still calls the central park five guilty, even though they're exonerated. >> he's that landlord or denied housing application because of the color your skin. he says, the greatest president for black people in the history hey, of america, including more than abraham lincoln can, you

fathom that wilson, i think president biden gotta pee it is wheaties and i think he's waking up to the reality of the polls. >> here's the thing. i think this year there has been this sense among the biden campaign of its trump. there at indictment counties on trial, there are all these vulnerabilities with him. they can't it can't pop possibly be as close as it looks. and i think he's realizing they need to throw everything against the wall. what we saw today was incredibly effective. i would say juxtapose two, i was critical of the robert de niro courtroom show, which i don't think that moves movable voters. that is shoring up a key constituency with messaging that works, but he's got this very uphill battle where he's got to keep the democratic coalition together. black voters, young voters, the far left, but also try to get these swing middle of the road voters. it's a tough dance. he's capable of doing it, but this has really been the first time that i felt like, wow, he realizes we are five months out from donald trump potentially being elected president. but whatever about the economic

argument that you hear? >> they're from the trump team? is they're watching this and saying, well, we are making inroads with black voters more than if he stays on track with this, that trump will get more of that vote, than any republican candidate, presidential candidate in modern history. i mean, if you look at the numbers, he has nearly a quarter of support from black voters right now and biden's margin of support has shrunk from since 2020. and honestly, that's a key part of his coalition and a group that i mean, it propelled him. no one can forget that south carolina primary and what it did for president biden's campaign. well, sure. if the numbers stay as they are, he will not win reelection. the numbers there have been several times in our history where republicans have made inroads, but by election day, it didn't play out. and i think one of the things that biden has to do when you saw today is we're in this situation right now. we're in 2016. a lot of people said it won't be as bad as you think in 2024, people are saying it wasn't so bad well, they need to remind people every single day just how bad it was. and i think with key

constituencies, you saw today, you think it's the numbers stay where they are right now, that president biden loses and no, i think if 25% of african americans vote for donald trump, he, he, he will when 25% of african writers have not going to vote for donald trump, this the shot across the bow started today. you're going to hear a lot more. >> well and he's also using the supreme court, which obviously has been a big impact here are saying, well, the supreme court could make a big difference here. there could be justices retiring in the next four years. and i think that's motivating and it ties into the reproductive rights discussion. but listen, that can't be all of it. joe biden has to be able to do a little but if everything and i would say you could speak to this better than me, sticking to the tabletop issues, the economy always listed as number one if he can go back to that, we'll speak into these other concerns. that's how he gets ahead in the polls. yeah. we'll see how the voters take it with a few months left. obviously, joe la carte, great baby back outside. alyssa farah griffin as well. thank you all so much for joining us. be back tomorrow, 9:30 a.m. for special coverage of trump's trial is the jury b

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